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Winter Whetstone: CQB Skills Training with RBSN Tactical / Daryl Robson
Phone Conversation
Winter has a way of sanding down hard-won skills, and most indoor walk-ons don’t fix it. So we brought in Daryl Robson—MagFed veteran, airsofter, and two-tour Ukraine combatant—to lay out a practical CQB training plan built for Ontario’s cold months. No fluff, no heroics. Just a clear path to keep angles clean, communication tight, and team flow intact when the outdoor season is asleep.
We walk through a four-hour format that actually builds: safety and expectations, baseline rifle work and assessments, movement and solo CQB, then entries and team drills that lead into a force-on-force scenario. Daryl breaks down why limited penetration preserves control, when dynamic entry earns its keep, and how to structure reps so everyone learns, adjusts, and improves. We keep the class small so feedback is specific and the pace stays thoughtful. The gear list is simple and realistic: rifle, chest rig, eye and ear pro, tourniquet, and real-cap mags. Pistols and radios are optional; hand signals and voice keep comms clean.
Then we zoom out to where MILSIM is headed. Drones and thermals aren’t a novelty anymore—they’re the meta. Daryl shares how he plans to teach drone tactics, thermal use, and signature management, plus the human factors that separate gadgets from real capability. We also preview trench warfare modules for outdoor fields and explore partnerships for vehicle and helicopter training that push realism while staying safe and purposeful. If you’re tired of losing your edge every winter, this conversation maps a program that preserves fundamentals and scales them into spring.
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All right, and we are officially back for twenty twenty-six. This is Mike, also known as Magic in Ontario Airsoft, and this is the Airsoft experience. We're here with Daryl Robinson, who has a cool idea to get some military simulation training out there to the community, some cool TQB stuff, and then uh possibly some future outdoor stuff. So, Daryl, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, Mike. Good to be here. Awesome. So why don't we let the community get a brief uh breakdown of who you are and uh your background and stuff like that? All right. So my name is Daryl Robson.
SPEAKER_00:I've been uh in the paintball community mostly, uh within the MagFed community uh for the last 10 years. Uh I've been playing Airsoft for the last about three years. Um started running my own company about a year ago, and we were gonna go into apparel and doing events, and then I decided I was gonna go back and serve back in Ukraine for another six months. So I've been there twice now. I served my first tour with uh the 3rd Assault Brigade, and my second tour I did with uh the Legion and then 422nd Separate Rifles, uh, which they go under a different name now. They're the first Motorized Infantry Battalion of the 42nd Mechanized Brigade. It is a long, long, convoluted name that they go by now. Um, but I served with them, uh, saw action in both Kubyansk and Prokross, did both uh field work and uh city work in the cities, um seen a lot of combat. Just got back a couple of months ago, and uh I figured I wanted to bring some of that knowledge, some of the things that I gained from being in a near-fair conflict, uh, bring it to the Millson community so that we can all you know up the realism of our games a little bit and uh so that we can see how how things are being done uh you know outside of the GWAT era, um now into this new era where drones are a big, a big uh factor in things and where uh uh the movements and things are a little bit more open because you're not so concerned about civilians near peer, you're you're a little bit closer to people, so uh closer to the enemy. So uh it's bringing some of those aspects into the training and just giving people uh trying to bring this in so that people have a way to work on those skills throughout the winter time. So even if they are uh advanced in CQB, that they can come in and they can work on those skills, have a way to train them uh throughout the winter time.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that that is uh that is definitely a resume and a half, if I've ever heard one. Coming from, you know, real theater of war to a MILSIM type level, is that something that is an easy transition, or is that something that you kind of have to dip your toe in? How does that kind of work?
SPEAKER_00:So for me, I was in the MILSIM, like it kind of went MILSIM, real military, and now I'm going back to MIL-SIM. Um, so for me it actually, and I know there's a lot of there's a lot of like taboo thinking on it about, you know, uh MILSIM guys going in going into the military and thinking they know a lot. I just approached it when I got there, like I wasn't, I I didn't know anything, and and they trained me up, but having some of the muscle memory from the MIL-SIM side of things, being able to do quick mag changes and things like that, allowed me to progress in my training a lot quicker than other people were able to. People who had never handled weapons, who were, you know, for lack of a better term, who had never been shot at. I know I've been shot at by paintballs and stuff, and uh, but it it's definitely having that simulation experience going into it helped me out a lot. Um, I know there's a big taboo of people thinking, oh, you know, it's just paint. When the bullets started flying at me, I just in all honesty, I just thought of it as paintballs that were gonna hurt more. Um, so that's the way I took it while I was in the field, and now coming back into the MILSIM aspect of it, it's really for me, it is a big way to uh retain those skills that I learned over there and to um help myself uh help myself and help others retain not only retain their skills, but also to learn new skills and learn how things are done nowadays. So it's uh hasn't been too difficult of a transition coming back to the MIL-SIM because I'd done it so much before, but now uh I have a little bit more uh I have a lot more experience uh in the actual fighting of it.
SPEAKER_02:So for sure. And like right now we're we're in Canada, in Ontario, where it's winter, everything's cold, and pretty much MIL-SIMs have you know slowed. There is some in Quebec, stuff like that. Uh the odd event here and there, payfalls still kick in. But most of Ontario Airsoft has shifted indoors now, doing walk-on games and uh some private events and stuff like that. That's pretty much the only outlet right now for Ontario Airsoft. And I find that not everybody can make it because very few fields, indoor fields in Ontario, or attuned to playing outside and Milton. So I find that most people just uh stop completely in the winter. So anything that they've gained knowledge-wise, any muscle memory, any sort of you know, rucking muscle and uh any sort of tactics uh completely fade, I find uh over the off season. And I guess that's where you're coming in to try to change that.
SPEAKER_00:Well, that's exactly what that's exactly what I'm trying to do. That's exactly what the event is for and why it exists, is because the fact that uh people people still fall off, uh especially in Ontario, especially in Canada, right? Unless you have the big money to spend to travel somewhere in the States or travel to Europe to go to one of the bigger games there in one of the warmer climates, you're really put at a loss. So I wanted to make sure that there was something for everybody. I know the the fields are few and far between. Uh this is why I if the event goes well here, uh in Toronto and Massa Saga at Action Airsoft, um I'm gonna reach out to another place in Ottawa and try to do one closer up to Ottawa as well. Um specifically for the fact that people's skills in the wintertime they get rusty. Uh you know, I know I'm using uh I I know I'm using a bad pun here with a winter whetstone, but with your skills getting rusty, you know, uh you gotta sharpen up, you gotta make sure that uh that you're playing and that those that muscle memory, uh the things that you've been working on all summer just don't fade away. And that is exactly why the event exists, is because we want an opportunity for people to have that real feel during the winter time where it's in an actual setting, uh where it's a Milsom setting, as opposed to just a walk-on game where you're gonna be fighting beside or you're just gonna be running and gunning for the whole time. There's no scenario, there's no actual uh mission set, you're just kind of playing the game to play the game. Um whereas with this more MIL-sev-minded uh event, you are actually focusing on training. It's uh it's more slow, it's more deliberate, and uh it helps you keep those fundamentals.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that that makes perfect sense. Like I do play indoor airsoft once in a blue moon not too long ago. I did play at a walk-on event, and I found that you can't really go through the motions of doing what you were taught or doing what you've learned CQB-wise at a public event. It's just you can't do it. There's so many different angles that you can't cover. And you have so many different players with different player styles where you can't slow down and kind of go through the routine. So I think something like what you're trying to do is exactly what you know some more of the serious players or even new players that want to gain those skills are, you know, craving, especially this time of year. So I definitely commend you for that.
SPEAKER_00:Well, thanks. Uh, you know, and I agree with you. It's it when it comes down to CQB especially, it's it's the fundamentals and keeping those fundamentals sharp. So working your angles, your your communication, um, just just having all the basics down pat and having an opportunity to do that and a space to do that. You know, uh Action Airsoft 2.0 is great for it. They've got uh both the shoot house and uh they've got the meat grinder as well. The meat grinder is really, really good on the inside because it allows you to switch shoulders. Uh it allows uh for very, very confined spaces, which forces you to think in the moment um and actually uh push that conflict resolution uh to the front of your mind, as opposed to being worried about um you know some rental, some rental player who who's never picked up getting a lucky shot at you from behind because you know you get tunnel vision or something and you focus down too long. And then, you know, it throws you off. It throws what you're trying to do in in terms of practice, uh, it throws it off. So building up those fundamentals and and having the space to do it, uh especially being able to do it indoor at Action Airsoft, uh, it's it's very, very, very uh very important for everybody. Uh and I think that's why we're seeing so much interest in it, both from the guys who have been heavier into the Middle SM scene for a while and uh from the beginners coming up.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, let's touch on the uh the venue there. So Action Airsoft 2.0, it's definitely the mega field in Ontario, and it is a great uh structured learning place. I did uh recently do a pop-up event with my buddy John Dudd the other day, and uh I have walked the field. I just haven't had a chance to play the field yet. But uh it's definitely got a lot of positive uh structures and and uh you know a lot of stuff set up for training purposes and for having fun, which is two of the most important things in airsoft, but you definitely did a good job picking the venue. It's uh it's gonna become uh a staple in Ontario Airsoft um going forward.
SPEAKER_00:It definitely is. Um, you know, uh I mean just as much as the compound has become, just as much as the compound has become a staple for the community, and now it's becoming a staple for the for the paintball community as well, right? Um it's having that place that allows you to have fun, but also to give gives you the options of doing different things in whether it be a scenario game or whether it just be a walk-on day type thing, right? You have different options, different places to different places to fight, different different skills that you can work on in different areas. Um and the variety there is I'm speaking at Action Airsoft at this point. The variety there allows for us to be able to set up some really cool uh uh some really cool training scenarios that you're you're not really able to set up uh in an outdoor space.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so it it's that having that venue uh available uh to the community and having it available for this event has just been it's been incredible.
SPEAKER_02:Let's uh let's kind of get more focused on what um you know players can expect signing up for this event because it is coming up soon and I I want to get this episode out as fast as I can to get that information out there. Now, is this going to be like a big number of people, like a giant class, or is it gonna be more one-on-one-ish kind of thing where you can really dial stuff in and soak in the knowledge?
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so I worked with a uh I'll I'll brief this brief uh preface this by saying uh my squad, I was a squad leader uh for training throughout the Legion. Um my squad was full of 24 guys uh that I helped with the training and got them weapons ready on a couple of different platforms. I can handle a group that size, but I'm hoping to keep it between like 12 and 16. There's space for 20. I do have another instructor who served in Ukraine with me who is available that day who can come in to kind of help out if we do push that 20 mark. Um, but hopefully it it we get around 16 people in. That way everybody can get a chance uh to run through the drills. Um we can slow things down, and then at the end, it gives us enough people that if we want to do a little bit of a little bit of force on force scenario, we can still do that. Awesome.
SPEAKER_02:Is there going to be um kind of like split time where you are going to you know be in gear uh doing all of your weapons handling and shooting and all that stuff, or is there gonna be uh another portion of it where you're going to give out some knowledge and uh kind of like a classroom type of deal?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so there's gonna be a classroom. So the the day is gonna be broken into four one hour segments. Uh so basically the first hour segment is we are going to go through safety briefings, waivers, all that type of stuff uh for the field, take a walkthrough of what the day is going to entail, and then we'll go on to we'll go on to the field for the first hour and just work on some of the basics, some of the fundamentals, changing shoulders, firing from the offhand, things like that. We'll have some targets set up, and we'll kind of work it in teams of four and groups of four. Uh guys can go up and then they can get assessed. Just so I have we have a basic understanding of where everybody's coming from. And then we're gonna move into uh movement, house-to-house movement, um, which is very important in the urban setting, preaching, uh, solo CQB, and then we'll do a wrap-up at the end of the day where hopefully we can get a little bit of a scenario going where we'll do uh eight-on-eight and uh we'll have a hostage team, uh a hostage team setup, and then we can switch the roles where the secondary team uh can the secondary team, the attacking team can be the uh hostage takers then.
SPEAKER_02:So that sounds absolutely amazing, and I'm definitely excited to uh partake in this. Let's uh let's give the players uh kind of breakdown of some equipment uh or gear that is mandatory or something that you want them to bring that would help the uh the training move forward.
SPEAKER_00:Alright, so uh obviously you're gonna need your iPro, you're gonna need uh a chest rig of some kind. It's basically this is training um for your MILSIMS. So if you're gonna be wearing uh I I'd like people to wear basically in terms of their gear, wear what they're gonna be playing in during the summer months because you gotta train how you fight. Um even me personally, when I'm out there, I'm going to be wearing my kit that I wore in Ukraine, the stuff that fits me that I've trained and fought with for years. So I it's just it's what's most comfortable comfortable for me. Um if they want to bring flashbangs. I know there's a limit there on what we can use in terms of flashbangs, um, but you can also purchase them there at Action Airsoft. Uh we're not gonna do any grenades uh or any like explosive entries this time. Uh I do have a guy that does explosive entries and that can teach us a little bit more on the preaching side of things in terms of explosive entries, but uh I gotta get doors and things for that. So maybe not on this event. When we go to the second event, uh we might be doing some things like that. So flashbangs, iPro, ear pro, make sure you bring ear pro because the fact that we will be using flashbangs, I don't want anybody's eardrums getting blown out. I already have tinnitus like crazy. My ear is ringing right now. So bring those, uh whatever rifle you prefer to use for CQB. So if you are using a um if you're using an AK platform, if you're using an M4 platform, it doesn't really matter uh as long as it's something that you think you can handle and that you can use comfortably in CQB in a CQB setting. Uh don't bother bringing high cap mags. We're gonna be running with 30 BBs in our magazines at all time in each one of our magazines. So we're gonna be doing real cap preferred BBs. Uh outside of that, we'll have targets, we'll have everything else that you need there.
SPEAKER_02:Awesome. To touch on equipment, so obviously bringing your primary. Is there gonna be uh a need for a secondary, like uh a pistol and doing any uh switching from your primary to your secondary and anything like that?
SPEAKER_00:Uh we're gonna focus on we're gonna focus on rifle skills uh at this point. Um I'm gonna be wearing my secondary, like I'm gonna be wearing my sidearm. Not really planning on breaking it out at this point. We have a we had a saying over there, if you if you were fighting with the pistol, everything had already gone wrong anyways. Um you never really want to be in the situations that in the near-peer situations that I'm kind of trying to base this off of and the experiences that I've had, um, going to our pistol wasn't something we did very often. We were trained on them, but it's not something that we did very often because of how fast paced and uh how intense the situation is. If you're going for a mag change, you know, if you're in the middle of a room, you don't have a full mag in there before you go in, you're making sure you change before you cross that threshold so that you can dump a full magazine once you cross that threshold. You're not so much switching to your pistol. If you're fighting with a pistol in a modern situation, then a lot of things had to have gone wrong to get you there. A lot of things had to have gone wrong to get you there. So we're gonna focus more on the rifle side. Um, if they want to bring, if people want to bring their side arms, uh that is that is perfectly fine. Uh I can work some of that stuff in dependent on how many people uh bring their sidearms, but also some people don't have them. So I wanted to focus it more on the rifle work of uh that everybody can get into and experience the whole day.
SPEAKER_02:For sure. Sounds good. So that being said, we're all everybody's gonna obviously leave their LMGs at home then.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yes. I mean, we've all seen I'm I'm pretty sure we've all seen that video. Um we've all seen that room clearing video of of of the Ukrainian guy just sticking the saw in the room and letting go. Yep. Uh and that that is a optimal way to clear rooms in in this situation. Um, you know, we uh we we had a saying we never really wanted to do CQB on a building, we'd rather just bring the building down, um and then, you know, figure out what's left. But uh it it's always good to know this having these having these things down Pat because you do have to go into houses. You don't want to be uh destroying all the all the infrastructure and you want the old babushkas to be able to come back to their house eventually one day. So we can't do it all do all the stuff. So for sure. But yeah a lot of it we just went in a lot a lot of the time. If we weren't uh if we weren't looking for somebody specific or if we were just on a regular patrol we were we went heavy before we even crossed the threshold to the door so it made things a lot easier when we got inside. Absolutely so with this uh with this training event are you gonna focus on different types of entries into rooms uh you know one being dynamic you know slow roll stuff like that or is it uh you know primarily based on movement and stuff like that we're gonna fo we're gonna focus on uh movement but we're also gonna do limited penetrations and dynamic entries um stop both I know how to operate in both I like limited penetration a little bit better uh but you do have to use dynamic entry to get into the deep spots and a lot of the places that we were fighting in had three or four rooms adjacent to each uh adjacent to each main room so you had to get in deep which uh dynamic entry really works for but uh I'd like we're gonna be touching on both limited penetration and dynamic entry.
SPEAKER_02:Awesome that sounds absolutely perfect.
SPEAKER_00:What about uh like TQs or any sort of medical situations like that is that going to be thrown into the loop at all like a downed player medical attention does thank you for thank you for reminding me of that if you have a tourniquet bring a tourniquet with you even if it is a mock tourniquet because yes during scenarios there will be situations where everything goes to the side and uh you got to get your teammates or one of your teammates has to get dragged out of there or you have to apply a tourniquet or you have to metavax somebody there will be some curveballs. Perfect.
SPEAKER_02:Is this going to be more of like um each individual goes or is it going to be mostly like fire team size kind of entry where you have multiple people working together are you going to start slow and then move up to multiple people or how do you fe figure you're gonna break that down?
SPEAKER_00:That's exactly why we're breaking it into four different sections. So when we move when we move up to the later portion of the day so you know uh this the last couple hours of the day is when we're gonna move into some more of the team based movement. It's important that everybody gets some of the solo movement down first um before we move into the team based movement. And team-based movement uh in CQB if you don't have the fundamentals can be very very difficult but I want to be able to give everybody the opportunity to uh work as a team in these scenarios it's not just going to be one person you're never just gonna be one person uh you know clearing a building or trying to get a hostage out but having those solo movements down paths so that when you're working as a team nobody really has to think of anything everybody just kind of flows together because it's like okay if I'm not going there this is where I'm supposed to be um and that all bases off the solo movement. So once we get the solo stuff down in the first couple of hours and everybody's had a chance to run through some things we'll take a break and then start building up two person teams four person teams and then eventually if we can get to 16 people then we'll do the uh bigger teams or do two fire teams and show people how we move in sets of four how we do building to building and sets in groups of four things like that.
SPEAKER_02:Okay cool. What about uh what about communication? So is it gonna be more you know vocal communication between uh people operating together just because I know it's hard to mesh everybody on uh comms some people don't have them some people are running digital some people are running Bofang. Uh are you just gonna keep it back and forth uh with voice to keep communication and just kind of voice voice and hand gestures voice and hand gestures is what we're gonna be doing because as you said there are some people that don't have them and trying to network everybody's comms together is a nightmare.
SPEAKER_00:Oh yeah I I I'm sure you know that from uh from being a commander in games and whatnot that just just trying to get comms together is is an absolute headache.
SPEAKER_02:So for sure 100% okay so let's go down the list here uh we've pretty much I I really want to get out to the community and to people that are really kind of interested in doing this but are on the fence so you got to bring your primary you got to bring everything that you're gonna operate so say you're you're setting up for a Milton at the compound or another field you want to pretty much bring the stuff that you're gonna be operating in that theater in. You want you want a pistol not so much comms not so much Milton TQ that's definitely something that's required or even like a bandage or you know cut up cut up a t-shirt like I'm sure that'll work fine as well.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_02:And I've got a few extras I've got a few extras as well in case people need some so and you're aiming for about a 16 person class but it can go up to 20 and uh you're hoping to get through everything.
SPEAKER_00:It's a four hour block correct yep it's a four hour block uh this one's a four hour block and then if this one goes well we're gonna hopefully run another one in about a month's time uh which will build upon what was learned in this four hour block so it'll be a second four hour block in about a month's time uh where we can take some of the fundamentals that we worked on and uh build upon them first off practice them a little bit more but build upon them as well.
SPEAKER_02:Awesome is it required by the people participating to bring uh some sort of uh notepad or anything like that to take notes is that an option for some people yeah if you want to bring a notepad I any class that I ever went to during training I always brought my notepad with me it's just good practice and good habit to be into you can read over things in your downtime and uh writing things down helps lock them in a lot tighter.
SPEAKER_00:So that's awesome. If anybody has any questions like directly for you what's the best way for them to get a hold of you like if they had some questions before they signed up uh through Facebook or yeah they can reach out to me uh either through my personal Facebook Daryl Robson or uh actually I think that's set to private so like have to go to uh RBSN Tactical which is on Facebook um and send me a message through there I check it every about every hour so I'm pretty diligent on uh on getting back to people as quick as possible.
SPEAKER_02:So let's touch on uh RBSN Tactical is that something new that just started and it's something that uh or is it something that's been around uh before you went away or how d how did that all come to uh fruition?
SPEAKER_00:After I came back the first time uh I wanted something I wanted to stay in the tactical field. So like in that I as I said at the beginning I was really taking some into magnet paintball at that point in time. I was kind of breaking into uh the Milsim area in airsoft um and I was designing some stuff. I was designing some parts some parts for paintball guns and things like that. Um and then I was helping out with some events. I was actually supposed to help out with that whole Milson North fiasco and that fell through and then I kinda just put everything on the back burner for a while decided to go back do some more fighting over there and then when I came back uh this time it was wife wants me to stay home so I gotta put my head down and focus on getting this business up and running and uh and continuing on doing something that I love without the danger of you know having bullets and FBVs and borders flying acting absolutely so what do you see um in the very near future for your training company?
SPEAKER_02:Like what's some other ideas or maybe spin-offs um I know you're covering the CQB and you're also going to hit multiple fields all over Ontario which I think is amazing because we have a very spread out community. Last year I was fortunate enough to go out to the uh Ottawa community at FPS Airsoft for uh lose game and uh that community out there was just absolutely amazing and I was just thrown back on how cool uh that was so hearing uh the fact that you're you know going to take the show on the road and stuff like that um is it's really commendable and it it's awesome because not everybody can you know make the four hour drive from that area to Toronto or Mississauga where Action Airsoft is so being able to bring the community kind of together by going out to see them is is definitely a step in the right direction in my books for sure.
SPEAKER_00:Right. So and yeah so we got uh a few different things uh we will have this we'll have a CQB course um and then we're gonna move into a uh a drone I'm gonna have a drone course a little bit closer to the summertime which hopefully once I get everything worked out with uh my drone pilot uh he's American so having him I'm gonna have him come up here to teach the drone course um which will be drone tactics and evasion hopefully we'll be able to run that up at the compound possibly uh uh April late April early May I've still got to get some things worked out there before I final before I start looking at a final date for that um and then in the summertime I would like to do an overnight uh Mill Slim experience at the compound which I'm still planning and kind of prepping for uh where we can get into some of the thermals and some of the NV stuff night vision stuff that we did uh again some of the evasion and tactics that we used uh while being hunted by thermals or while using thermal plus ourselves.
SPEAKER_02:I really actually want to touch on that because um like you know myself I play a lot of MILSIM and uh quite a bit at the compound and other fields in Ontario and uh thermal and drones is the absolute new thing on the field. It's at almost every event and I would say I mean my team uh we have a thermal drone ourselves uh most teams now do so it's a it's a very real thing and it's just something that you you honestly can't get away from. So having some sort of knowledge um you know from the real world but uh toned down for the built and simulation world is something that I think is really needed in the community and it's just uh there's a hole there because we're pretty much just flying by the seat of our pants and going off of you know just uh flying the drone and trying to relay information and you know everybody's taking off and landing from you know the comfort of the CP where it's protected and stuff like that. When you get into you know other games like the disarm series where it's uh you know strategy based where you physically have to launch your drone you know from a vehicle or or on the go there's just there's no training out there for that and there's no training to fight uh thermals out there because thermals are leading the way at at any field in Ontario like it is insane. When I started in Airsoft uh night vision was the newest thing and uh you know I'd say 10% of people had night vision now you're you're 75-80% of players on the field um at some of the more major Milts are all kitted up with night vision and then now everybody has thermal so there's a huge need for trading uh training for for those so if you want to touch on that that'd be great I know the community is just craving for stuff like that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah so uh I it it's the same thing for us. Um you know I carry I carry a little piece of Russian F T V with me everywhere I go now I've got a piece of my shoulder I've got a piece of my leg. So it it really is anywhere anywhere you go now in terms of the modern battle space uh drones and thermal are two of the biggest dangers. Uh we use thermals on every single mission we went on. There was not a time whether it was a clip on or whether it was a helmet mounted I always had a thermal on me and and the reason for that is for lack of a better term it it's it is the new meta it's what everybody is using in order to be that big force multiplier for them. And there are some ways I don't want to kind of go into too much of how we how we evade thermal and whatnot um unless we do unless we do the course but there are there are some tactics in terms of uh foliage cover, dense foliage cover, things like that that you can use in terms of evasion or at least making your signatures small enough that uh you don't get spotted as easily by pilots. So we we want to touch on that in terms of the drone aspect uh and then operating with thermals as well so not just clipping on your thermal you know uh it's it's being careful of battery life being careful of uh usage and burning out your burning out your own eyes uh or your own night vision because like your natural night vision because you've got a light on your eye there are different things like this to take into consideration it's there's obviously there's obviously a lot more to it but there are things that you know people don't take into consideration when they just go buy a clip on or or buy a a helmet mounted thermal or helmet mounted night vision. Um so doing this course will actually yeah it it'll help train some people as opposed to just jumping online and you know train the user manual this will give you a little bit more of an in-depth way of um how we see the battle space uh or how we use the battle space using thermal using drones and how we operate it in in those situations.
SPEAKER_02:Absolutely that that just is something that is absolutely craved by the community. I know myself my team and a lot of the other people that we play with are are always asking and always looking into uh more information so that in the future is something that uh definitely I think the community can uh to can benefit from and quickly as well um obviously everybody is uh seeing the war in Ukraine right in their faces on YouTube and all of that stuff and uh the fighting has like crazily shifted back to trench warfare are are you going to be because I know the compound has uh you know trench lines same with FPS and a couple other fields uh in Quebec all are introducing trench lines I know the compound is increasing theirs this year so is there going to be anything touching on that from your experience?
SPEAKER_00:Yes yes actually uh we are hoping to tie that in with the nighttime event uh when we get to that point a lot of it comes down to a lot of trench movement comes down to in the way that we handle trench movement is CQB with uh vertical aspect added to it right um you're still handling angles uh like you would a hallway but you're a lot more confined in the fighting um so moving through uh moving through trench defense and uh breaches and you know assaulting trenches we'd like to do that when we do the event in the summer at the compound um so that we can uh introduce some of these this so that we can introduce some of these uh tactics some of these uh strategies for actually keeping yourself alive in that situation out of everywhere that I fought the the scariest thing that I did was was assaulting a trench. I'd much rather be in a building where the drones can't get me that than running through a trench and having that added vertical aspect where there could be some guy you know a hundred meters down from you lifting his drone off and and getting ready to fly it at you. So uh we want to do it with the drone aspect and we want to do it during that uh time period because it brings the realism all together.
SPEAKER_02:Absolutely and the good thing about like most outdoor fields is they do have all aspects of what you're really trying to train. So they do have buildings where uh all your CQB fundamentals that you're gonna teach are going to be used. Then you've got a lot of drone warfare so you know evading that and and launching and landing and all of that stuff. So you'll be covering that and then trench warfare on top of that. Have you ever thought about reaching out to do any sort of vehicle movement or anything like that because that's something else that I think is lacking in this community as well.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah actually um I'm talking with black uh with uh black line right now uh about some of the stuff they're doing with the helicopters and everything so uh I'm talking to them um some point this week I haven't set and ironed out an exact date of what I'm gonna be talking to them uh but we were in contact last week and uh we're gonna get together at some point this week to move forward and hopefully I can jump in with them and uh work on some of their training as well. That's awesome.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah so if you don't know who Black Line is in the community Black Line Simulations ran by Sean uh great organization. They do some pretty cool involved uh sneaky deaky spy type Miltims um I was lucky enough to be a part of one of their events and uh it was one of the best times of my life so they're definitely something that if you haven't uh looked into it's something to definitely look into for sure. Definitely take a look at them and they got like I said they've got this helicopter training program coming up which I am definitely interested in doing it's been a little while since I've been in a bird and got to fly in a couple of them uh during some of my training but we never actually got to use them in the field so it uh it'll be fun to jump back in the bird so absolutely I was uh I was fortunate enough to do some helicopter stuff myself uh including um fast roping out of out of one in the middle of a game at the compound, believe it or not.
SPEAKER_00:Oh that would have been I think I saw a video of that. I I actually think I saw a video of that on Mech's channel.
SPEAKER_02:So yeah, actually he was right beside me. Uh I invited him out. Uh there's about 18 of us. And you know what? I I can't thank Lou and Dennis enough for giving us that opportunity. It was it was just it's just so great to see like exactly what you're trying to do. Black line, um, a lot of other people in the community is just we're trying to push this envelope of realism, but keeping it under the banner of uh military stimulation. It's just it's really encouraging to see where this community started and the direction that it's going. And it's just got like the hairs on the back of my neck standing up because I'm so excited, uh, especially hearing with uh hearing about some of the training that you're trying to bring to the community. Um, it just kind of ties in so well with the new shift towards uh realism that we've been trying to instill in our community. It's just it's just great to hear.
SPEAKER_00:I'm happy to be part of it. As I said, like I'm happy to impart some of the knowledge from some of the experiences that I went through to other people back here. Um you know, uh it improves our game, it improves everybody's game when everybody plays at a higher level. So if we can all do a little bit of training, uh makes the game more fun for everyone, right? So when we bring that realism into it, that realism aspect into it, it makes it more fun for everybody because uh we're all just kids laughing at the end of the day, and we want we want to feel like we're in the movies, right? So absolutely, that's it.
SPEAKER_02:So quickly before I let you go, we're we're coming up on our time here. I just want you to kind of break down a couple points uh just to summarize what we talked about. So if anybody is interested in RBSN tactical, you can contact them through Facebook, through uh RBSN. And do you want to just quickly go over what we talked about? Uh just real quick point form equipment, everything they can expect and where it is.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, sure. So this is the winter wetstone Milson training seminars. Hopefully, we will be able to do multiple of them. Um, and what we are gonna be focusing on is fundamentals uh for CQB, fundamentals for house-to-house movement, and then we're gonna have other training going forward throughout the summer in terms of trench warfare, drone warfare, uh, and other such things. If you want more information about the event, you can find me at RBS and Tactical on Facebook. For uh equipment when you come, bring your rifle, bring everything that you would train in or that you would compete in a mill swim or play in a mill swim. Uh we're not gonna be focusing too much on our sidearms. If you want to bring them, that's fine, but we're not gonna focus too much on them because not everybody has them. Same goes for comms, not everybody has them. It would be too hard to get everybody on the same network in the short amount of time we're working together. So we're just gonna be focusing on hand signals and voice commandments. Um the event will be on the 33rd of January. So that is coming up very soon. Uh event tickets are available. Uh ticket tailor through uh RBSN Tactical and on the event page on Facebook. Anything other than that, uh, if you want to talk to me, you got any other questions, just reach out through RBSN Tactical, and uh I'd be happy to answer them for you.
SPEAKER_02:That's awesome. Just on behalf of the community, myself, and the airsoft experience, I just want to thank you for giving the community this option and this opportunity to kind of push them into the right motivation to get back at it, to get their skills back up and get ready to hit the ground running when outdoor season hits, and or even for now, to to get your skills back up to date, to to get into places like Action Air and go throw down for uh you know a nice four-hour walk on. Just knowing that you have somebody in your corner to try to you know push those skills out to the community is just really great, and I can't thank you enough. And I really appreciate you coming on the show. Well, thanks for having me, Mike. Awesome. So I will get on this episode in the editing booth right away, and I will get it out there as soon as possible. And uh yeah, I think that's it. We're gonna wrap this episode up. So once again, thanks again for coming on, everybody. This is uh Daryl Robson.
SPEAKER_00:Thanks very much, Mike, and uh hope to see everybody out there.
